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Hate against erotic artist must stop

Journal Entry: Tue Aug 5, 2014, 12:34 PM
People, erotic art and fetish art ( even if you do not like it) counts as art!
I am extremely fed up with disrespectful people who act poorly against fetish and erotic artists.
People who does not like nudity often seem for some reason comment on what they hate. It is so pointless.
I would not sit down and comment on things I dislike, makes no sense.

When I started to draw erotic art a large chunk of my fanbase left me, simply because nudity was not their cup of tea, I am OK with it. I mean the worst that ever happen to me was a few comments about the breast being to big or when a large confession blog mocked my art . But when you see art you really do not like, why not use the option of closing that tab /window and leaving it alone? Would that not be the sane option? If it violates some rules, report it. Do not insult it.

Many seem to forget that nudity have always existed in art , so has erotic materials :

Early Renaissance 15th century , Birth of Venus by Sandro Botticelli

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/3/9/1331314152196/Botticellis-Birth-of-Venu-007.jpg

Manga artwork is by CYGNUS , and, Venus, Cupid, Time and Folly by Agnolo Bronzino

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So which is art and which is just plain nasty smut?
If we shall be honest , both are.
Some of the artworks are from 1600 , so nudity is hardly a new thing.


Comments on erotic / Fetish art

Every single artist on deviantart should gain respectful comments, I do not understand the logic behind why some people add nasty comments about rape, and rude insults. No artist , no matter what they draw deserves that.
I have seen so many good comments, some which are empty one liners.
This comment is helpful , but if the artist does not want critique, you should not add any:

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 The comment below does not qualify as  critique , the person who comments does not tell the artist how to perhaps improve the artwork.
I guess this would qualify as to clarify your own personal taste :


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And then we have the creepy once :
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FEMALE OC - LACK OF CLOTHES , LACK OF PERSONALITY?


"Why not cover her up , a female OCs must they look like some streetwalker , it is disgusting." - said by Anon

"If a character has more clothes, she will most likely show more personality.
Because characters who lack clothes do so , due to lacking personality." - Anon

First of all I do not know where to start , a character with nipple plates  , are a personal preference , rather then making a functional outfit. But then again several cultures did have lack of clothes, and this was not because of the males. A lot of it is due to climate.

I have a character which have been said to wear to little clothes:
Whitchear by Queen-Soulia
Is my OC Whitchear to sexy? I mean it does exist characters which are simply made to sell sex, they lack deep stories and some are just a red haired naked female whom can often be seen in sexual situations.
My character was made to be part of a all man team , she played a large part during plots and never ever acted sexy.
My artwork of her looking sexy, is really not how she usually acts.

She is sly , and cunning . But are more or less like a mother for the young leader in the group who is not at all use to leading.
Her story is very tragic and meaningful. She is not some sex object that walks around in my books and lick male chest and suck lollipops. Just saying.

Many female characters are made sexy so males will like them, but that being said some females like them as well.
Females can be as perverted as a male, just saying. I have enough in my family and friends to our family to back it up.
One of my sisters friends chased me around with her silicon breast, asking me to touch them. The entire situation was bizarre.

Tell me what you think about the topic, does erotic artist deserve nasty comments because of what they draw?
Can a character be to sexy?

I want to have  a real clean dicussion about this.

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:iconthe13throse:
the13throse Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I've never really drawn my characters nude (unless they were animals or Pokemon, cause...they don't really wear clothes...)
but I have dealt with people being judgemental of me drawing characters with boobs. 
Guys...I drew boobs on her because she's a GIRL, who has passed PUBERTY!:frustrated: -revamp 
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StarMakerNeo Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I understand completely. While I don't draw nude art, my OC Utau does have a bit oversized breasts. I don't know how that came to be, it just did. I've been insulted many times through the years, but the worst has to be when that becomes the viewer's focus over the rest of it. Utau even acts similar to your OC, who I think looks beautiful!

I understand why one would be offended by it, but they shouldn't be mean about it! Artists still spend a lot of time on their pictures, and I personally love art that shoes of the beauty of the natural body! If you don't like it, then don't choose to view it.
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I think your Utau has rather small breast to be honest, but she is cute.
But I love breast, and people forcing me to not liking to won't make me stop.
I doubt your OC acts as mine, hence they are based on real people.
Most are evil, only kind one I have is not even on dA.
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StarMakerNeo Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I meant "act the same" in that they play an important part and have deeper parts to them. Utau is not actually a sex figure, as I am trying to keep "fanservice" out of the story and focus on the journey!
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually :XD: none of my females play a large part, and it is not because they are females.
It is just that the main character is a man.
I do not do fan service, my characters are either sexy to make other characters uncomfortable.
Unless you look into my story Phantom Serene , which is basically just porn, it is meant to be.
The characters have no story at all, and not made for males.. actually made for myself, due to my sexual preference.
I am a woman by the way.

If you look into my story Soul Knights :
queen-soulia.deviantart.com/ga…

I have one character that is "sexy" and that is Whitchear. But she dresses like that to get closer to high officials .. being a witch and all.
Her story is rather short and lacking a lot of elements because she is over 15 years old character, made when I was a child.

But the story contains 209 characters, 76 has a 40 page profile, I just do not add it.. because people do not read it.
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2delightful4u Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014  Student General Artist
Nudity isn't really my sort of thing (it might be immature, but I find private parts in general gross, actually), but I have no problem with people drawing what they want. The main thing I can't stand is the fact that most erotic art pictures females. Now I am somewhat bi-curious, and most people wouldn't expect a bi-curious person to have a problem with erotic art of only one gender. The thing is... there's just so much of it, that it starts to get on my nerves. I'm not a fan of any nude art at all, but female nude in particular just seems to be everywhere and that really annoys me.

Fetish art on the other hand, I either don't like or absolutely love depending on the fetish, as long as it doesn't show nudity or hard-core stuff. But it's the same case with the nudity, constantly seeing fetish art with only a female as the main focus gets really tiring.
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Like I do not like Night are Freddies. I get sick of the image of it, but it does not mean I will shove it into people's faces by saying mean things on their images.
Disliking and being respectful is important :nod:
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LeonKatlovre Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I always wonder why girls get more hate for drawing big boobs... F*CKING SERIOUSLY PEOPLE, GROW A SPINE, WOMEN CAN DRAW BIG BOOBS TOO

that said, mock my girls please if you are about to mock big boobs D:<

*protects Soulia* o.o
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I dislike how they act as if people who draw erotic are pimps , or even worse .
We are not making females to prostitutes, we are just drawing fiction... geeZ
Thank you :hug:
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LeonKatlovre Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
>w< *gives new bra*
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:iconqueen-soulia:
Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
O_o
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LeonKatlovre Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
sorry XD
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:iconlilith-the-5th:
Lilith-the-5th Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
To be honest, I'm really disappointed with some people of the community when it comes to erotic art- some insult, criticize tasteful or sensual pictures, while in the meanwhile, some simply PORN pictures (including penetrations, fluids and all) get reported and still stay here on the site. That also makes no sense

Speaking strictly of what you wrote, I totally quote you on the fact that commenting with hate makes no sense, and all the same, it's shameful some people show no respect to erotic art. Even before 1600, there are several depictions, both in drawings and statues, of sexual themes (and some are waaay more explicit than your pictures, or someone else's).
And also. Unwanted critiques. I've had some people popping out of nowhere (don't even know who they were) with plenty of critiques, and my only though was: who are you?:XD: I once was told: the face of this character is too masculine. But I took reference from my client's picture, and she has a quite masculine jaw. So I honestly got offended of being critiqued for being faithful to the picture I had to look at. -.-

The creepy comment IS SO EWW.
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:iconqueen-soulia:
Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I really dislike when people drop pointless comments on images I did for clients. Makes me feel insulted for them.
I mean if the girl has red hair and blue eyes why must they compare to some anime?
Also let us not forget how the compare every elf character to world of warcraft.. ._.
I do not like when people add nasty comments on erotic artists pictures.
We are people to, respect us!
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:iconclokthegod:
clokthegod Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014
You really look mad and angered :/
some people say literature isnt art, and it get on my nerves....most times i feel they are right though...but i continue doing the thing i love the most. And i have a little ammount of fans i truly love too c:
i will be your true fan, because your art is great! There will always be haters and those wich like to unleash chaos upon what they dislike.
i will always be watching you improve and enhance over time. There will always be haters, as there will always be fans. I am here as a fan of you :love:
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:iconqueen-soulia:
Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Art is what one creates.
May it be a garden or a poem, art is art.
YAY I have faaans
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:iconclokthegod:
clokthegod Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014
yeah you indeed have fans, and tons of them
art is always art...and there will always be someone who thinks is an art god or goddess and can criticize everything XD
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Hylian-Dreams Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
My only issue is that it should have a mature filter so people who don't like it, or young people who should not see it, don't have to. Art is art, whether the subject is something tasteful or otherwise. 

I really dislike nude art, of both types, but especially the modern ones that seem to have nudity, sex, and sexual themes, as their main focal point. By this I mean the darkest and lightest parts are on the actual sexual parts, such as breasts and privates. To me the more recent art is geared more toward the porno lovers rather than to those who appreciate the time and talent that goes into the piece because of the extreme exaggeration that goes into them and the way they are given focal points. I also think it is a different in audience and style so people who like one do not like the other sometimes. But just because I don't like it doesn't give me the right to bash people for it, at most I ask them to put a mature notice on it because I know some very young children who are allowed online by their parents, and with art theft here and there and all the links back to DA from other sites, a child could click a line art that looks like a coloring page and end up looking around and finding sexual themed art on accident.

I do not like or approve of it, but it is art regardless. Be it old or new, faded or vibrant. It is art, art that I wouldn't want to find on my boyfriend's or a child's phone or computer, but art none the less and if people want to do it then they have the right to go for it. 

The last thing someone should do is make sexual or harassing comments on art like that.
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This is not about mature filters do, that is just people being dumb.
I would not forbid a boyfriend from looking on porn, which I find inredbly silly. Or when females call it cheating.
Dear gods females.. it's just a photo of some girl, or when a girl made a yahoo question about her boyfriend watching hentai.
Males have a need for sex, if let's say a female does not want to have sex is it not better he has something else to do then to grope and nag on you to have sex.
I find it odd when people hate nudity art, do they hate looking at people naked, even oneself?
I dislike cat and dog warriors, find them to be blend and poorly scripted stories, I mean they made a anime who was better. But I would not go to people's art and say nasty stuff.
I just click stuff like that away .

I am guessing you watch me for give-aways. See no other reason for you to watch me, I draw 90% of the time nudity
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GoldLinaric Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014
No one deserves nasty comments, critiques yes, but it would
 seem a lot of people  think to critique means to point out flaws to ridicule or simply " say oh this looks great" ( sadly even though I say this I'm a guilty party) instead of constructively criticizing the work to further help the artist to improve.
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:iconqueen-soulia:
Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I dislike when people just say : "The boobs are to big."
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GoldLinaric Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014
that's annoying,  one of my experiments with 3dcustom girls i decided to create my neko girl in it and one of the first comments was  that. I like it to be that way i did make it.  it's my character can't i just fantasize...
of coures i chickened out at the time and just said i was rather new to the program, which wasn't really a lie
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:iconqueen-soulia:
Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Fictional is fictional. It is like adding science into religion, illogical as hell.
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GoldLinaric Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014
Indeed. Likewise I don't understand the hatred of Mary-sues/Gary-stus as much as they are.  I understand  that they can be over powered but  let a person fantasize a little. 
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I think hating characters are plain dumb
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GoldLinaric Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014
i agree
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:hug:
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Mattpwnsall Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Student Artist
Erotic art, as much as some of us may not like it, has its own place in history. Its there for a reason.

Don't ever stop :)
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:iconqueen-soulia:
Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you, and I will never stop
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I personally I don't have any problems with erotic art, though I admit it isn't something I would go specifically go looking for. And if I had to mark my preferences, mine would certainly go more towards the anatomically correct, instead of those with super exaggerated proportions. But all of this, of course, is mostly a matter of taste.

I don't think an artist should ever be condemned for whatever type of art he or she makes (unless it's art meant to fuel hate, but that's another story). It's not okay. But on the other hand, considering the nature of DA's community I can quite imagine where it comes from. A lot of people tend to think that porn = easy pageviews. Sex sells, hence it's seen as cheap and sexy OC's are often seen as having less of a character. More or less in the same way as pretty blonde girls are always assumed to be dumb. Because they don't 'need' the character or intelligence to sell themselves. Its just a bonus. And in most cases (unfortunately) not something people are looking for in such a character either. You can call this gender stereotyping, but actually it works the other way around as well. I mean; look at all those yaoi fangirls. They ain't following their manga for the amazing storyline either XD

Another part of the dislike comes from all the people that associate erotic manga art with the huge amount of fetish art out there. They're basically ignorant people that don't quite know what they are talking about. I've had them too. People assuming I drew tentacle porn for fun just because I drew a character with manga eyes... that wasn't even naked..... But they can be quite annoying indeed. 

And those childish remarks about rape and whatnot. I always suppose most of them are made my 15 year old sex-depraved basement dwelling boys that have never even seen a real woman whose name didn't end in .jpeg. If they had any meaningful relationships with women in their life, they wouldn't be talking about the other gender in such a way. 
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I am not into yaoi , per say. I can look at it but it kinda portraits homosexuality in poorly.
Most yaois are about heterosexual males being curious about homosexuality. Or it involves abuse.. not something I am OK with.
Manga is not just porn, I wish people would get that.

Last part made me laugh :XD: about the basement dwelling boys.
One keeps asking to hentai RP with me
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:icondamaimikaz:
DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not into yaoi as well. Too graphic for me.
But I happen to know quite the amount of fans and most of them aren't reading the manga for the story XD
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:iconqueen-soulia:
Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
How.. can you read a manga without care for the story? *brain explodes*
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
People watch porn without caring for the story :shrug:
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:iconqueen-soulia:
Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Then I will tell you a sad news .. it exists people who does watch porn for the story. They are called reviewers and me. And yaoi is not all hardcore porn actually.
Same as some hentai is not all and all sex, some are just forbidden acts without actual sex.
Worst hentai so far : "Kedakaki Seijo wa Hakudaku ni Somaru" , shivers
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I didn't say they don't exist. 
But there are a lot of people out there that couldn't care less for a story
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Young teenage girls tend to not care , then again they think Hetalia happen for real and that Slenderman exists.
I do know people who read mangas by looking at images and never following the story .. that was annoying.
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Lt-Havoc Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014
I fully agree with this journal post. The hate for erotic art seem to stem from the fact that in many cultures, sex and sexuality is repressed and seen as something sinful and nasty. These puritan views are often held by people who have very conservative views on many things. For those people, girls who show skin cannot possibly have a personality because the concept of that is totally alien to them, they believe everyone who is half naked has to be a bimbo of some sort that can only get ahead in life using her body assets, something that is totally wrong if the character is actually well written and has depth.

Secondly, contrary to what many people think and believe, erotic art does not hurt anyone in any way, shape or form. Even outright pornographic or violent art will not have any lasting effect on the viewer or inspire them to commit violent acts.

Anyway, erotic art is just as legitimate art then Cubism or whatever else snobs call art these days.
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree.
Just as video-games does not make people commit crimes. Poor mental health makes people commit crimes due to not being able to separate fiction from reality.
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QDLA Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014
"For those people, girls who show skin cannot possibly have a personality because the concept of that is totally alien to them, they believe everyone who is half naked has to be a bimbo of some sort that can only get ahead in life using her body assets, something that is totally wrong if the character is actually well written and has depth. " Totally my thoughts, but written in good english :D Thanks for saying this sir ! 
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Lt-Havoc Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014
Oh no problem at all.
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Byu-Byu Featured By Owner Edited Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So retarded they can't close the window and comment on things that aren't breaking rules. Leave own opinion to self, so what if people wanna draw things they like. 


So may be odd fetish art out there but at least venting it out through art and not acting on impulse to do those things in real world is a bit better.
I never get how they put pieces that aren't just there.
"Your whoring out the gender if draw nudity of them" No you empower that even naked form can be a beautiful masterpiece.
Renaissance artists weren't painting naked girls and going YEAH YOU GET NAKED YOU DIRTY FUCKING WHORE and i don't think our generation is any different when doing nudity.
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I mean it is better that people draw fetish art, then harm a real female.
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Byu-Byu Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
indeed better way to vent sick thoughts on characters then real life people that could be harmed and scarred
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lightvanille Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This is just plain stupidity, just because it doesn't match someone's taste it shouldn't be judged by others as "bad art".

Now about female OCs...It is your creation, and you'll do them the way you want. People that say:
"If a character has more clothes, she will most likely show more personality.
Because characters who lack clothes do so , due to lacking personality."

Are just plain machists (sorry...I had to do an essay with the theme of violance against women, and in many stupid cases people tend to blame the female's victims). People are still influenced by these ideals...Unfourtnately
And so that is why I love this stamp :I fav.me/d30qa12
I love your erotic arts, you are my inspiration for doing my erotics ones
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Females can dress as they wish, the problem is how many raise their sons.
If a boy respect his mother, he will respect other females.
I am a female and was raised by a strict grandmother and was never exposed to nudity , I like nudity because I started seeing old art and just feel inlove.
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lightvanille Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, this year there was a huge comovation about these rape victims here in Brazil, It was based on a research done.
The research had the images of mannequins qith some examples of clothings and the question was "Who out of these women should be raped, and why?" The answers were horrifying, and a female journalist posted a photo of herself covering her nipples with the words written on the picture #Idon'tdeserveberaped.
I kinda of grew up seeing nudity but It was mainly because I loved to look at my mother's anatomy books from her medicine university.
We shouldn't be ashamed of our nudity.
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree, nudity should be OK, we are born naked so.
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lightvanille Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
everyone is naked...under their clothes XD
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Queen-Soulia Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
O_O such are facts. But rape is never OK, no matter what you wear
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